Wednesday 2 April 2014

5:52:00 pm

 

Dear Sirs,
I felt government employees are better placed to protect their rights than private sector employees. But having worked in Govt. sector for long, now I feel that harassment of employees in Govt sector surpasses even pvt. The reason is that things like performance, achievement, motivation just don't exist there.  In fact its no one's money, so none bothers what happens to it. So much for my frustration. 
But if someone asks in writing to produce your original certificates, write back to quote rule. One who writes is the boss in the government, not one who works.
Regards, 
Suyash
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:27 PM, "dgms_mail_list@yahoogroups.com" <dgms_mail_list@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
DGMS and all about Mining in India

14 Messages

Digest #2076
1a
Record by "Chilamakurthy Venkat Rao" sriven_venkat
1b
Re: Record by "kundan kumar" kundan_mira
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Safety assessment by best_charan
4a
Mine Manager as Blaster by "deep" jetspeed78
4b
Re: Mine Manager as Blaster by "B Arunachalam" iyer_arunachalam
5a
Re: Suggest Me by "qazi Imtiyaz Ahmad" qaziimtiyazahmad
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Re: REGARDING SURRENDER OF ORIGINAL CERTIFICATES by "qazi Imtiyaz Ahmad" qaziimtiyazahmad
6b
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Re: REGARDING SURRENDER OF ORIGINAL CERTIFICATES by "B Arunachalam" iyer_arunachalam
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Kind Help from anyone Please by "Sandeep Raja" sandy_raj1947
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Re: Fw: by "JAYAPRAKASH NARAYANAN RAMALINGAM" rjpn1971

Messages

Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:20 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Chilamakurthy Venkat Rao" sriven_venkat

Hi to all,

     Very Happy to inform u all that GDK 11 Incline Mine of M/s The Singareni Collieries Company Limited, crossed 1 MT output in 2013-14 with the production on 27.03.2014 second time in its History.
Previously it achieved 1MT production(11, 04,036 T) in 1993-94 with three LW Panels but this time with One CM Panel of Bucyrus (taken overy by CAT taken over by GmmCO),one BG Panel and One Sandstowing Panel with LHDs.

Regards
Chilamakurthy Venkat Rao,
Deputy Manager,
GDK 11 Incline,
The SCCLtd.

Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:33 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"kundan kumar" kundan_mira

Sir,
It is really a pride for us in general and Singarenians in particular
to achieve such a feat. Achieving more than 1.0 million tonnes from
Underground coal mines in India by technologies other than Longwall is
praiseworthy. Being an ex-Singarenian, I am proud of this and also
congratulate your team for achieving such a feat.

Regards
Kundan Kumar
Sr.DM (Mine Planning )
Tata Sponge Iron Ltd.

On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Chilamakurthy Venkat Rao <
sriven_venkat@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Sir,
> Happy to inform u all that GDK 11 Incline Mine of M/s The SCCLtd,
> A.P. crossed 1 MT production in 2013-14 with the prodution on
> 27.3.14,second time in its history.This mine achieved 1.1MT(11,04, 036T) in
> 1993-94 with three LW Panels but this time with One CM Panel,One BG Panel
> and One Sand Stowing Panel with LHDs.
>
> Regards
> Chilamakurthy Venkat Rao
> Deputy Manager
> GDK 11 Incline
> The SCCLtd
>
>
>

Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:20 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Navin Kumar" navinmi

.Dear Members,
 
Kindly any body clarify the following narrated below

One of our friend Mining engineer was employed by the state government as Asst. Manager Mines. The employer required the original certificates for verification and the same was submitted. The  candidate was passed in the First Class Written and was suppose to attend the oral at Nagpur. Hence he requested the employer to give back  the originals for attending the exam at Nagpur.

The employer denied initally but after lot of hurdles he received the certificate and attended the exam. Now the employer again demanding the originals to keep it in their custody in order to have a hold on the candiadates and monthly salary kept on hold till certificates being submitted to them. 

There are few candidates who have struck up .Kindly share your views and ideas to help them

My question is
1) Is it lawful  for the employer to keep the original certificates and threatening them ?
2) Any rule or act which says originals to be received and kept in their custody ?
3) How to overcome this problem where most of the minig engineers face today ?

Add. Information  - Bond has been executed  for 5 working years  while employer seeking for original certificates

Thanks & Regards

NK Murthy
Mines Manager

Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:22 am (PDT) . Posted by:

best_charan

Dear Members,

I am interested in working on Safety assessment in Indian Mines. Can anyone please let me know,
1. Which mines are currently applying these methods.
2. Are academic researchers allowed to be part of specialized training program at HRD hall, DGMS, Dhanbad.


Thank You


Kind Regards,
Charan Kumar Ala
Ph.D. Research Scholar.

Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:22 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"deep" jetspeed78

Dear Members,

According to Section 6(1) of the Mines Act.1952 any person possessing a
Foreman Certificate of Competency under MMR,1961 if Given permission from
DGMS can act as a mine manager of mine under 5 hectors.

All I would like to know if Blasting is carried out on contractual basis in
the mine can this person( possessing a Foreman Certificate of Competency
under MMR,1961) who is promoted to act as a manager in the mine who also
possess as blasters certified be authorized to supervise over the
blastings as a blaster ...

Thank you

Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:53 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"B Arunachalam" iyer_arunachalam

Additional duties to blaster should not hinder his regular duties
Blaster wages should not be based on production
will these get satisfied
How can blasting be outsourced?
Arunachalam
On Monday, March 31, 2014 7:54:15 PM, deep <deependranath@gmail.com> wrote:

 
Dear Members,

    According to Section 6(1) of the Mines Act.1952 any person possessing a Foreman Certificate of Competency under MMR,1961 if Given permission from DGMS can act as a mine manager of mine under 5 hectors.

All I would like to know if Blasting is carried out on contractual basis in the mine can this person( possessing a Foreman Certificate of Competency under MMR,1961) who is promoted to act as a manager in the mine who also possess as blasters certified  be authorized to supervise over the blastings  as a blaster ...

Thank you

Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:23 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"qazi Imtiyaz Ahmad" qaziimtiyazahmad

Ajay ji
for this purpose you better contact secretary BOME,Dhanbad.

On 3/29/14, AJAY SINGH <ajaysingh196772@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
> Sir, i passed second class manager examination ( R ) in 2013 means exam held
> in 2012 & result declared in 2013 but till i not get my certificate. Is
> there any system of tracking the certificate, if yes please suggest me.
> Thanking you
> With regards
> Ajay Kumar Singh
> Goa

Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:23 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"qazi Imtiyaz Ahmad" qaziimtiyazahmad

Hello NK Murthy.
mines rule says certificates of supervisory
staff shall be retained by the manager and it is not for managers as
far as my knowledge is concerned.

On 3/29/14, Navin Kumar <navinmi@yahoo.com> wrote:
> .Dear Members,
>
> Kindly any body clarify the following narrated below
>
> One of our friend Mining engineer was employed by the state government as
> Asst. Manager Mines. The employer required the original certificates for
> verification and the same was submitted. The  candidate was passed in the
> First Class Written and was suppose to attend the oral at Nagpur. Hence he
> requested the employer to give back  the originals for attending the exam at
> Nagpur.
>
> The employer denied initally but after lot of hurdles he received the
> certificate and attended the exam. Now the employer again demanding the
> originals to keep it in their custody in order to have a hold on the
> candiadates and monthly salary kept on hold till certificates being
> submitted to them.
>
> There are few candidates who have struck up .Kindly share your views and
> ideas to help them
>
> My question is
> 1) Is it lawful  for the employer to keep the original certificates and
> threatening them ?
> 2) Any rule or act which says originals to be received and kept in their
> custody ?
> 3) How to overcome this problem where most of the minig engineers face today
> ?
>
> Add. Information  - Bond has been executed  for 5 working years  while
> employer seeking for original certificates
>
>
> Thanks & Regards
>
> NK Murthy
> Mines Manager
>

Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:26 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Akram Shaikh" akramshaikh807

I am very young for discuss this with you very experienced persons.
But
As my thought They should take help of RTI http://rti.gov.in/. (Right To Information.
I think it will be helpful for those who bearing that now and for others also.

Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:53 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

"lalit verma" lally_ver

Very Unfortunate,
Only statutory certificate of Supervisor Can be retained by the Manager and when needed it shall be given to candidate on token.
There is no law which says to retain all the original educational certificates.
this act of employer is total shame.

On Monday, 31 March 2014 7:57 PM, Akram Shaikh <akramshaikh807@yahoo.in> wrote:

 
I am very young for discuss this with you very experienced persons.
But
As my thought They should take help of RTI http://rti.gov.in/. (Right To Information.
I think it will be helpful for those who bearing that now and for others also.

________________________________
From: Navin Kumar <navinmi@yahoo.com>;
To: <dgms_mail_list@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: DGMS Mailing List: REGARDING SURRENDER OF ORIGINAL CERTIFICATES
Sent: Sat, Mar 29, 2014 2:46:09 PM

 
.Dear Members,
 
Kindly any body clarify the following narrated below

One of our friend Mining engineer was employed by the state government as Asst. Manager Mines. The employer required the original certificates for verification and the same was submitted. The  candidate was passed in the First Class Written and was suppose to attend the oral at Nagpur. Hence he requested the employer to give back  the originals for attending the exam at Nagpur.

The employer denied initally but after lot of hurdles he received the certificate and attended the exam. Now the employer again demanding the originals to keep it in their custody in order to have a hold on the candiadates and monthly salary kept on hold till certificates being submitted to them. 

There are few candidates who have struck up .Kindly share your views and ideas to help them

My question is
1) Is it lawful  for the employer to keep the original certificates and threatening them ?
2) Any rule or act which says originals to be received and kept in their custody ?
3) How to overcome this problem where most of the minig engineers face today ?

Add. Information  - Bond has been executed  for 5 working years  while employer seeking for original certificates

Thanks & Regards

NK Murthy
Mines Manager

Tue Apr 1, 2014 12:04 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"B Arunachalam" iyer_arunachalam

Dear All, Kindly refer MMR 27 Reproduced 
Manager is within his  right 
However it is silent regarding Second class certificate holder
Arunachalam

On Monday, March 31, 2014 8:00:43 PM, qazi Imtiyaz Ahmad <imtiyazahmadqazi@gmail.com> wrote:

 
Hello NK Murthy.
mines rule says certificates of supervisory
staff shall be retained by the manager and it is not for managers as
far as my knowledge is concerned.

On 3/29/14, Navin Kumar <navinmi@yahoo.com> wrote:
> .Dear Members,
>
> Kindly any body clarify the following narrated below
>
> One of our friend Mining engineer was employed by the state government as
> Asst. Manager Mines. The employer required the original certificates for
> verification and the same was submitted. The  candidate was passed in the
> First Class Written and was suppose to attend the oral at Nagpur. Hence he
> requested the employer to give back  the originals for attending the exam at
> Nagpur.
>
> The employer denied initally but after lot of hurdles he received the
> certificate and attended the exam. Now the employer again demanding the
> originals to keep it in their custody in order to have a hold on the
> candiadates and monthly salary kept on hold till certificates being
> submitted to them.
>
> There are few candidates who have struck up .Kindly share your views and
> ideas to help them
>
> My question is
> 1) Is it lawful  for the employer to keep the original certificates and
> threatening them ?
> 2) Any rule or act which says originals to be received and kept in their
> custody ?
> 3) How to overcome this problem where most of the minig engineers face today
> ?
>
> Add. Information  - Bond has been executed  for 5 working years  while
> employer seeking for original certificates
>
>
> Thanks & Regards
>
> NK Murthy
> Mines Manager
>

Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:25 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"biswajit paul" paul.lntecc

This is totally harassment by the company. In India Any employer not having any rights to keep any original educational certificate in their custody. The original certificates only may need to be produced at the time of recruitment period for verification purpose only. However he need to check again whether any contract letter he has already signed or not which may include this type of clauses.Another feature may be noted , if any company sponsored a employee for any courses in that case they can keep the certificate with them till employed or for some years of bond. Otherwise the candidate can take legal help also against the company.  
It is highly unsafe for his future if his educational certificate are in other custody. Hence he should give a strong reply to his management and not to give back in any condition. If required he should be interested for changing a job.

Also everybody need to be very very careful before signing any documents with any organisation. Any documents need to read carefully and should sign if only he understood and accept the terms.

From: Navin Kumar <navinmi@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:36:23
To: dgms_mail_list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: DGMS Mailing List: REGARDING SURRENDER OF ORIGINAL CERTIFICATES

 

.Dear Members,  Kindly any body clarify the following narrated belowOne of our friend Mining engineer was employed by the state government as Asst. Manager Mines. The employer required the original certificates for verification and the same was submitted. The  candidate was passed in the First Class Written and was suppose to attend the oral at Nagpur. Hence he requested the employer to give back  the originals for attending the exam at Nagpur.The employer denied initally but after lot of hurdles he received the certificate and attended the exam. Now the employer again demanding the originals to keep it in their custody in order to have a hold on the candiadates and monthly salary kept on hold till certificates being submitted to them. There are few candidates who have struck up .Kindly share your views and ideas to help themMy question is1) Is it lawful  for the employer to keep the original certificates and threatening them ?2) Any rule or act which says originals to be received and kept in their custody ?3) How to overcome this problem where most of the minig engineers face today ?Add. Information  - Bond has been executed  for 5 working years  while employer seeking for original certificatesThanks & RegardsNK MurthyMines Manager

Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:36 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Sandeep Raja" sandy_raj1947

Dear Sir,

I have applied for *II class Mines Manager Certificate* under MMR.

I have been asked to submit authorization in Form I for the partical
experience as Asstt. Manager.

Kindly anyone can mail the format of *Form I* as mentioned above.

--
Sandeep Raja J
B.Tech, Mining Engg
IIT-(BHU) Varanasi.

Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:42 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"JAYAPRAKASH NARAYANAN RAMALINGAM" rjpn1971

The original certificate will normally be sent after six months from the issue of provisional certificate

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From: AJAY SINGH <ajaysingh196772@yahoo.com>
To: <dgms_mail_list@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:59:23 AM GMT-0700
Subject: DGMS Mailing List: Fw:

On Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:02 PM, AJAY SINGH <ajaysingh196772@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear all,
Sir i passed second class manager examination ( R ) in 2013 means exam held in 2012 & result declared in 2013 but till i not get my certificate. There is any system of tracking the certificate, if yes please suggest me.
Thanking you
With regards
Ajay Kumar Singh
Goa

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